Oppo opinions - Hellcat or c63 AMG

"mr_gofast" (jake_berenshteyn)
09/23/2014 at 15:03 • Filed to: HELLCAT, AMG, MERCEDES BENZ

weve seen both cars, heard one, but have a pretty good idea of what the second one sounds like, prices are comparable for both as is power output

question is - which would you take??

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take your pics - which do you like and why

DISCUSSION (42)

For Sweden > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:06

503 HP vs. 707 HP

Comparable

ChevyMalibu > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:08

Kinja'd!!!

Hellcat Charger is my pick. 4-door full-sized car that you can take your kids, co-workers, and significant others, screaming their heads off, to school and events while still visiting the track on weekends.

mr_gofast > For Sweden
09/23/2014 at 15:08

weight differential makes the hp gap less apparent...c63 weighs less but has less hp... 3400lbs vs 4200 lbs.

Scary__goongala! > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:08

Hellcat. I think its a job well done. It has completely changed my mind about the Challenger. It comes with a manual, the C63 does not. I imagine it will be cheaper to operate. Also RWD the while the other car probably won't be. Which means burnouts so that the terrorists don't win.

anothermiatafanboy > For Sweden
09/23/2014 at 15:08

That's exactly what I, and every other human being on the planet, was thinking.

mcseanerson > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:08

AMG - Does more than go fast in a straight line.

For Sweden > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:09

If you buy a Miata you can go even lighter!

Sweet Trav > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:10

Hellcat.

The 4.0T motor in the Merc will be an absolute turd. Guaranteed

gawdzillla > For Sweden
09/23/2014 at 15:11

thats always the answer ... for that price you can have like 2 miatas both equip with LS3

but thats not the point right

my vote = C63

theuserformerlyknownasaluminumfoil > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:12

HELLCAT because MURICA, and because manual.

Frosted > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:13

AMG. It'll be built well and not by 2 fat guys in Kentucky.

Sweet Trav > mcseanerson
09/23/2014 at 15:14

I'd rather have the old one with the M156.

This new 4.0 turbo engine does not impress me.

For Sweden > mcseanerson
09/23/2014 at 15:15

...he spoke from his extensive experience driving the Hellcat models.

scoob > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:15

AMG.

As much as I'd like a Hellcat, I have a feeling that if you have an AMG you look like some business kind of douche, whereas the Hellcat will make you look like a douchey kind of douche.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:16

C63 — I've a preference for Euro and Asian over American but in this case it's aesthetics, a more finely tuned precision feel and what i can only assume is much better handling.

I do think the Hellcat is impressive though, as far as American cars go.

Sweet Trav > Frosted
09/23/2014 at 15:16

You realize that the Charger is made by our friendly Canadian neighbors to the north right?

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:17

Here and now, none of the cars does much to appeal to me.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:17

Definitely the AMG. Sure, it's got less power but it also weighs something like 800lbs less. Personally, I think the AMG looks infinitely better than the Hellcat, and it will undoubtedly handle better as well. It probably come in AWD, which I like, and I don't mind paddles in a car like this at all. Also, I'm a snob who likes European (though specifically German) cars. And have you seen this interior?? Wunderbar.

Kinja'd!!!

Oh, and there's an estate version. Will the U.S. get it? No, but it still exists.

Kinja'd!!!

anothermiatafanboy > Sweet Trav
09/23/2014 at 15:18

What about that engine could be considered unimpressive?

Frosted > Sweet Trav
09/23/2014 at 15:22

Yup. Doesn't mean it'll be as high quality as the AMG though.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:23

Good to see my Hellcat gif making its rounds.

Sweet Trav > anothermiatafanboy
09/23/2014 at 15:23

It weighs significantly more than the outgoing motor, makes only a slight bit more power.

Hp/l is meaningless number.

The compression ratio is too high to just up the boost on.

Sweet Trav > Frosted
09/23/2014 at 15:24

If by high quality you mean exploding the second sunday after the warranty is up then yes.

mr_gofast > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif
09/23/2014 at 15:27

its on like 3 of my sites as a placemarker for other gifs...it just suits everything lol

Saracen > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:28

C63. 500hp is more than enough.

EL_ULY > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 15:34

Charger HELLCAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because manual and Murica! It is an expression of raw motoring in this world of stuck up (my car is more refined and has better interior materials) smugness!

anothermiatafanboy > Sweet Trav
09/23/2014 at 15:47

Horsepower isn't everything. Doesn't it make a good bit more torque over a much wider spread? I know those 6.2 AMG V8s can be peaky. Also, how much more weight in an engine is significant in a 3500 pound car?

For the record I tend to be a fan of N/A engines over boosted and prefer the M156 as well. Just arguing for the sake of discussion.

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif
09/23/2014 at 15:57

Kinja'd!!!

Saracen > anothermiatafanboy
09/23/2014 at 16:14

Peaky is a relative term...generally it is reserved when referring to small displacement, high rpm motors.

I've been behind the wheel of M156-powered AMG's many times....the M156 delivers power in a linear manner, but make no mistake, it makes monster torque and power everywhere.

Brian, The Life of > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 16:16

I'll take Option 3: Wait for the new Shelby GT350.

Sweet Trav > anothermiatafanboy
09/23/2014 at 16:18

M156 = 422 lbs. M178 = 460lbs. The N178 is needlessly complicated, and will be harder to modify as it is already 10.5-1 compression, with direct injection, MB is already shoving 17psi down the bores, there isnt much headroom on this engine. Where as the M156 has plenty. I also have concerns about heatsoak from the hot-v configuration.

Plus the fact that for all its technology it only musters 469 or 503 hp, when both BMW and Audi produce more power from roughly the same engine. Not to mention that if you throw "non-competitor" engines like the LT-4 which produces 147 more ponies and only weighs 69lbs more.

nermal > For Sweden
09/23/2014 at 16:23

But ze Germans always under-rate ze HP on their cars...

1 German Engineering HP =/= 1 Stupid American HP

feather-throttle-not-hair > ChevyMalibu
09/23/2014 at 16:39

Dang it. They went from "horribly ugly" front end to "Oh wow, that's really good looking."

I'm gonna have to second you here. If i'm going with the "i dont care how heavy it is because i have way too much power" philosophy, you might as well go big.

feather-throttle-not-hair > scoob
09/23/2014 at 16:40

See, i have the exact opposite reaction. With the SRT at least i'm projecting the idea that I know i'm a douche. Which is somehow better.

I just envision a C63 driver as the guy who believes that everyone in the world should like him even though he gives them no reason to do so.

feather-throttle-not-hair > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 16:44

Well, the article linked specifically states a little over 3600lbs for the new AMG. It's still significantly lighter, but 3600lbs vs 3400lbs is the difference between a car that's a little on the light side vs a car that's a little on the heavy side.

JGrabowMSt > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 17:00

707HP of tire destroying goodness, or 503HP of expensive repairs?

Sorry, but Mopar or No Car on this one.

If I took both cars and thrashed them equally on the track, the Challenger will probably take the abuse better over the long term. I own an AMG SL, I think I have a little weight to my statement about their quality and repair costs.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 19:46

Choosing between those 2 is like choosing between Nacho Cheese and Caviar

mr_gofast > feather-throttle-not-hair
09/23/2014 at 21:09

do the math for horsepower to weight.
hellcat is about 1hp per 6lbs of weight

AMG is 7 pounds to 1hp

quite close actually.

mr_gofast > JGrabowMSt
09/23/2014 at 21:11

you and BTU need to talk lol

mr_gofast > Brian, The Life of
09/23/2014 at 21:11

ew no

JGrabowMSt > mr_gofast
09/23/2014 at 21:33

The SLS is a different animal completely. The SL class is Mercedes top of the line, throw everything at it model. I have an older one, he has a newer one. They're different animals. Abuse them, and it will come back to haunt you.

The abuse you could inflict on the Hellcat is way worse than what I'd want to do inflict on a C63, and still be able to get away with it. The SL class is in a league of it's own, if you were to compare the Hellcat to the AMG GT or the SLS or the SL63, then the SL will absolutely take more of a beating than the Hellcat would.

The original question however, doesn't compare the Hellcat to the SL class, and therefore I have my specific answer. But if you tossed an SL around the track and something broke, you may as well leave your stack of blank checks. I'm slowly doing an overhaul on an SL600 that I bought, but seriously, if BTU takes as good care of his SLS that I'm sure he does, he'll never have to worry about the serious repair bills. And while I could be wrong, I don't think he flogs the thing beyond it's limits on the track much.

Hookem21 > Frosted
05/06/2015 at 05:43

Top Gear refrence there?